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RhanoctJocosa · Apr 04, 2010, 06:57 AM // 06:57

No, I was implying that everyone likes to have massive rants about rank discrimination and time wasted setting groups up in HA but if you made a RHA people would still go back because they want fame.

Terrible Surgeon · Apr 04, 2010, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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Showing up with an empty bar and getting a point...no thanks. People would farm it to death and bots would appear to just enter..spam aoe on NPC's in HA for kills then repeat it over and over.

Ra on the other hand, i think the reward system should be reduced to 4 consecutive wins.

Zahr Dalsk · Apr 04, 2010, 07:30 AM // 07:30

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Originally Posted by RhanoctJocosa

No, I was implying that everyone likes to have massive rants about rank discrimination and time wasted setting groups up in HA but if you made a RHA people would still go back because they want fame.

But we can't "go back" to a place we don't go to in the first place, for the aforementioned reasons.

Regulus X · Apr 04, 2010, 07:33 AM // 07:33

[@ nay-sayers] So in other words, let HA rot in it's rank-discriminating empty-serverness with repeated NOPs because ya'll have too much epeen-related issues and don't want other players to reach their r3+ goals this late in the game. RIGHT ON.

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

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Showing up with an empty bar and getting a point...no thanks. People would farm it to death and bots would appear to just enter..spam aoe on NPC's in HA for kills then repeat it over and over.

Ra on the other hand, i think the reward system should be reduced to 4 consecutive wins.

Bots will bot no matter whether this suggested system's there or not. What's the difference besides having fun while making some kind of progression in Hero titles?

poppu16 · Apr 04, 2010, 08:32 AM // 08:32

The victory of a match is your pvp reward. Stop wanting prices for it. There is already enough pvp rewards.
If you want more prices for wining a pvp game, i think pve would suits you better.

And 1 point for beating NPC only, really ? not 1 point for a real victory over humans ? and you call that pvp ?? ..
"Yeah let's do some pvp. Nuke that stupid NPCs group and /Resign"

Dre · Apr 04, 2010, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

I would, however, approve of an idea to adjust the Gladiator title track as a whole so that a single point may be the reward of a single win in RA, since currently there is little reason to try playing there if your team doesn't have a good chance of getting five wins in a row.

Best idea in this topic

Warvic · Apr 04, 2010, 09:20 AM // 09:20

It's not a very bad idea..

But I could gather some RTL dudes. and farm 1 fame every 3 minutes (or so). Because with RTL you win or lose very fast. This could result in 20 fame an hour. Wich is alot for noobs who just spam RTL!

upier · Apr 04, 2010, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Shayne Hawke · Apr 04, 2010, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Red-resign can happen with or without my proposed change. But if it's that big of a problem, then I say the /resign function should be disabled for the sake of mitigating abuse. I'd rather lock teams in and reward them than not reward players at all. If players enter a match in HA, they should wait it out entirely and get their point at the end.

I don't think you're following me here.

It's not that one team resigns or not. It's that one team agrees to get steamrolled. After all, both teams are getting a point for that first match.

RR doesn't happen in HA right now because there's no reason to. The only way to get points is to win. With your suggestion, you can get plenty of points from just losing too. It might be a little slow compared to those who actually play to win all the time, but it will likely be faster progression than most PuGs can make, and will be a lot easier to do too.

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About the observer mode arguement, if they recieve an influx of flags all pointing to the same small group of matches labeled "[insert team1 vs team2 here]" it shouldn't be hard to take a look at just one of the recorded matches and say, "Yeap! They botted." *account terminated* or "Mmmm... not enough to convince us *close flagged obs. video*. I highly doubt there'd be more than a small handful of malicious botters this late in the game trying to cheat their way through [judging by how empty HA's been].

At those lesser levels of PvP (in this case, those first few entry maps for HA), the only thing I want catching botters is /report. If people aren't using it and botters aren't getting caught, that means that either the /report system needs adjusted or the players' attitudes need adjusted. Developer time is better spent removing the botters' ability to bot in the first place, rather than identifying the bots themselves and getting rid of them.

Gift3d · Apr 04, 2010, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

[@ nay-sayers] So in other words, let HA rot in it's rank-discriminating empty-serverness with repeated NOPs because ya'll have too much epeen-related issues and don't want other players to reach their r3+ goals this late in the game. RIGHT ON.

let me start off by saying i'm not bad at guild wars, just to set the record straight. BUT. i remember i had one hell of a time getting my silly little bambi, get lots of fame in r10+ teams, and a lot of my underworld/fetid wins are spent steamrolling unexperienced players such as yourself so don't even try and tell me you guys aren't playing the game. oh i see how you guys try and run balanced. you're like the billionth person on this forum to make a ludicrous suggestion to change guild wars so they can get their rank easier due to their incapability of playing HA the hard way like most players have. you and everyone else who's dying for a gold animal are going to have to earn their ranks and find a way how, just as everyone else did. HA isn't as lively as it used to be that's for sure, but i can tell you with 100% certainty handing out free fame to badlets is not the way to bring it back no matter how big or small the increments.

if you want your bambi go get it captain. it's gonna be a bitch finding groups and finding a decent guild, but guess what? it's always been like that, for everyone, suck it up and do as we all did.

you pvers are becoming very very jaded as of late.

tealspikes · Apr 04, 2010, 04:19 PM // 16:19

In order to recieve this reward, the match must last for x minutes and the enemy must not flawless you.

Scoring at least 1 kill and surviving for a certain amount of time is not much to ask for "effort". In the case of RR, the predermined winner would not only have to wait awhile for the other team's benefit, but they would have to sacrifice one of their players (losing the double exp from flawless, risk getting backstabbed while a man down).

IlikeGW · Apr 04, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

It's a bad idea. Sorry, but you're going against the way a minority uses farming exploits in this game any way they can. Whether it's botting or just showing up and half assing it 90% of the match you would have a lot of jerks on this. And by past example, Anet is not capable of getting rid of the bots and such in a timely manner. There might be a purge once every 3 months or something. That's a little bit behind real-time, and not enough to make sure this idea doesn't cause problems.

jonnieboi05 · Apr 04, 2010, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Gift3d

i, for one, do not think bad players deserve shit no matter how good of a college effort they're giving. need to get good at the game if you want those pretty ranks, the liveliness has been taken out of pvp already let's not try and take the diminishing competitiveness out too now huh?

This x1,000,000,000,000

Let's not ruin the last tiny (and I mean tiny) bit of prestige PvP titles have left.

Regulus X · Apr 05, 2010, 02:13 AM // 02:13

I guess you're all right, then. Let HA die in it's foul rank discriminating ways, and let teams continue to wear down by reaping nothing from randomways and further feeding the 1337ists until there's just nobody left to play and the arena dies off completely. Dead game is dead, and the 1337ists wouldn't have it any other way.

Note how I use the term "1337ist" alololot? That's because they are. Prime example on this thread: Gift3d. I don't care if you feel offended, either. I mean, just look at your own damn post dude... It wreaks of 1337ism! And I don't care about the flames I get for it because the truth is inevitably clear: 1337ists ruined the game. Enough said? Thank the fame-wh0r!ng jerks that fail to give players a shot at competing because they're too busy frenzy-kicking players for fun, /rank'ing to mock them, pretending like anyone gives a $h!t.

I'm particularly good at the game, but too many times have I been treated like shit, frenzy-kicked from parties for no reason at all, and trolled by the 1337ists in HA because I had no rank, and my posts are a mere reflection of it. I have r3, and that's about as far as I'll go in a dead game. Let HA ROT.

The End

colosusjokers · Apr 05, 2010, 04:11 AM // 04:11

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

I guess you're all right, then. Let HA die in it's foul rank discriminating ways, and let teams continue to wear down by reaping nothing from randomways and further feeding the 1337ists until there's just nobody left to play and the arena dies off completely. Dead game is dead, and the 1337ists wouldn't have it any other way.

Note how I use the term "1337ist" alololot? That's because they are. Prime example on this thread: Gift3d. I don't care if you feel offended, either. I mean, just look at your own damn post dude... It wreaks of 1337ism! And I don't care about the flames I get for it because the truth is inevitably clear: 1337ists ruined the game. Enough said? Thank the fame-wh0r!ng jerks that fail to give players a shot at competing because they're too busy frenzy-kicking players for fun, /rank'ing to mock them, pretending like anyone gives a $h!t.

I'm particularly good at the game, but too many times have I been treated like shit, frenzy-kicked from parties for no reason at all, and trolled by the 1337ists in HA because I had no rank, and my posts are a mere reflection of it. I have r3, and that's about as far as I'll go in a dead game. Let HA ROT.

The End

With the exception of the "pretending like anyone gives a $h!t" part I would have to agree with your post. Bottom line is we do care. Hence the reason we are even talking about it. However, there is a point that something is not worth bothering with so if they want to block out new blood and force HA to gradually become more stagnant and reduced in number as it has been going then let it be so. I just hope they don't get GW2 because I personally think the rest of us can do without them.

I'm content to just point and laugh at them now when they complain about having to sit around in the hall of heroes for an hour or longer just to wait for an opponent. Arenanet didn't cause this problem. The players focused on this aspect of the game did. As such they brought it on themselves.

*lemming* · Apr 05, 2010, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

I guess you're all right, then. Let HA die in it's foul rank discriminating ways, and let teams continue to wear down by reaping nothing from randomways and further feeding the 1337ists until there's just nobody left to play and the arena dies off completely. Dead game is dead, and the 1337ists wouldn't have it any other way.

Note how I use the term "1337ist" alololot? That's because they are. Prime example on this thread: Gift3d. I don't care if you feel offended, either. I mean, just look at your own damn post dude... It wreaks of 1337ism! And I don't care about the flames I get for it because the truth is inevitably clear: 1337ists ruined the game. Enough said? Thank the fame-wh0r!ng jerks that fail to give players a shot at competing because they're too busy frenzy-kicking players for fun, /rank'ing to mock them, pretending like anyone gives a $h!t.

I'm particularly good at the game, but too many times have I been treated like shit, frenzy-kicked from parties for no reason at all, and trolled by the 1337ists in HA because I had no rank, and my posts are a mere reflection of it. I have r3, and that's about as far as I'll go in a dead game. Let HA ROT.

The End

You get places in PvP by working for it, not by pontificating on forums about it.

Shadowspawn X · Apr 05, 2010, 04:48 AM // 04:48

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

I'm particularly good at the game, but too many times have I been treated like shit, frenzy-kicked from parties for no reason at all, and trolled by the 1337ists in HA because I had no rank, and my posts are a mere reflection of it. I have r3, and that's about as far as I'll go in a dead game. Let HA ROT.

Rank opens doors, with your r3 you can join any group looking for r3+. If we didn't have rank HA would not be puggable. It would be guild dominated and outsiders would not be able to play. Rank has opened up HA to the masses not shut them out.

mage767 · Apr 05, 2010, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Let the PvP elitists cry jupiter's RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO in their little playing field called HA. If I see any of these in PvE and see they can't run a balanced bar designed for PvE, I will show the same level of rank enthusiam as they do. That's the respect I will give them .... and if they get too cocky with their rank spikes, I will bring little ghostly out of the box and if they do too, I got badder pets for them to worry about.

If ANET implemented 7 heroes and allowed use in HA, I swear I would show these PvP elitists how to play crazy team builds.

Regulus X · Apr 05, 2010, 06:36 AM // 06:36

All I gotta say is:
... NOP
... ... NOP
... ... ... NOP

...and why is that?

LF r3+ RTLWAY/RANDOMWAY
... LF r5+ IWAY/SWAY
... ... LF r8/9+++ BALANCEDWAY
... ... ... LF r12+++++ 1337WAY/PROWAY
... ... ... ... LF r15++++++++ AFKWAY/NOWAY/DEADGAMEWAY

...also:

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Originally Posted by upier

The question really is if PvPers are satisfied with the level of activity in PvP arenas and if you are not, what would you be willing to sacrifice to increase the activity?

THIS. Thanks for understanding the idead behind my thread by making this extremely good point.

upier · Apr 05, 2010, 07:47 AM // 07:47